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Frequently Asked Questions:
This page attempts to list and respond to questions that many
clients ask us.
Zoë
Males has put this page up due to popular demand:
Over the last three years interviewing and
consulting with many clients, naturally the same questions, concerns
and considerations appear in the course of our conversations. In
an attempt to give clientele a better background to, and a more
rounded experience of, the purchasing and selling cycle Olvera Properties provides
this page. Please note that the Spanish Government issue decrees
on a regular basis - any one of which may alter the answer to one
or more question in the future - we do our best to keep up with
and modifications to the law as they occur.
The answers we give here come from our experiences
so is not considered as legal
advice. Olvera Properties recommends such legal advice be sought,
in any event, from a solicitor with local knowledge. The responses
here, are, to the best of our knowledge, correct at the time of
publishing. Of course, ultimately, this is a client driven page
and if your question is a typical one and it isn't here today -
it will be tomorrow.
For the sake of clarity the questions are broken
down into four main groups (Pre
Purchase, Purchase, Post Purchase and Miscellaneous).
You can go to either the beginning of the group that interests you
by clicking on the brown heading, for instance: Pre
Purchase Questions:, or you may jump to
a particular question. Click on the topic within that group, for
example * What documents do I need?
The Miscellaneous
FAQ's group are not directly property related questions,
but generally, to do with life in the area. For instance there is
an extensive list of restaurants
and hotels
in Olvera and beyond. To browse this group, click on the brown bar
labeled Miscellaneous
FAQ's, the questions in this group are not in the "Top of
Page" index found below.
Pre-Purchase Questions
There are a number of things that have to be put in place
prior to the exchange of contracts. To facilitate the process
it is a good idea to understand what is required of all parties
and what to expect.
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Is there anything I can do before I arrive in Spain?
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Email us your wish-list,
budget and any properties on our web site that interest you.
Open a local bank account, which is a very
simple process here. This is covered in the section entitled
Do I need to have a Spanish bank account?
Let us know early on if you require a mortgage
or other financial advice. If you need a mortgage please read
the section below entitled Can I get a Spanish mortgage?
Organise your accommodation. There is available
here in Olvera and in Pruna a selection of hotels, guest houses
and self-catering accommodation.
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What documents do I need?
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Andalucia you will need:
An NIE: This "Numero Identificacion
Estrañero" has to be solicited through the National Police
in charge of Foreign Affairs. You will need an NIE to conduct
a number of transactions ranging from purchasing a car to
acquiring a place in school for a child. This is an easy process
that we can organise while you are visiting Olvera.
If you plan not to be present while the exchange
occurs at the notary you will need to grant a Power of Attorney
(PoA) to either a lawyer or someone that you trust. This document
can be made specifically for this one transaction.
You will have to open a bank account in Spain,
if you do not already have one, which requires a passport
or NIE.
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Do I need a lawyer?
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In short - "Yes":
You do not legally have to have a lawyer but we always strongly
advise our clients to use a local lawyer.
On your behalf your lawyer will check the
paper work and ensure that there are no debts on the property.
Property transactions here in Andalucia are
notably different from those performed in the UK and in our
experience UK based lawyers often expect documentation that
is nonexistent here.
By the same token, coastal based lawyers from Malaga and Marbella
for instance, have different expectations to the reality of
dealing in a small inland pueblo. On the Costa del Sol, where
property sales with foreigners have been established over
the last 40 years and the house is often recently built, it
is usual for the house to possesses a full linage of ownership
documents. By contrast, in small inland pueblo blanco houses
have often been in a family for generations and all the transactions
have previously been through private contract.
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Do I need a surveyor?
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In Spain it is not a legal
requirement to employ a structural surveyor, however we advise
everyone to use one. This is always useful, in as much as
you will have a checklist of items requiring attention and
you won't have some unexpected surprise six months after you
buy the property.
If you require a mortgage on your home
in Spain, the bank can provide a copy of their values' survey
of the house, therefore saving you the cost of employing a
separate surveyor yourself.
We have a list of professionals who
can help. |
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Do I need to have a Spanish bank account?
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A local bank account
is necessary. You will need to pay utility bills
in Olvera once you have a property, which you can arrange
to be handled by direct debit. It is simple to set up internet
banking allowing you to check on your accounts when overseas.
If you want a Spanish
based mortgage, a local bank is
often a must.
Olvera Properties has a
list of local banks
and can help you obtain a bank account. |
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Can I get a Spanish mortgage?
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Mortgages are available
for non-Spanish residents.
The banks here are, like banks around the world, all trying
to establish new rules for mortgages - in effect this means that more paperwork
is required now and overall, mortgages tend to be smaller. For a mortgage in Olvera the
banks here will require:
- a letter from your bank including your account
details in the UK
- bank account movement for the last 6 months
- a letter from your work including your start of
employment date
- your work contract
- your pay slips for up to the last 6 months
- proof, with dates, of any pensions paid over the
last 6 months
- any rent or mortgage payments covering the last
6 months
- any proof of residence in the UK - a letter from
the town hall
- proof of non Spanish residency
- document from Policia Nacional
- your P60
- a bank account with the bank that is supplying
the mortgage.
- your NIE
Nowadays you can only expect 60% to 70%
of the purchase price, whereas residents can expect between
80% to 100%. If you are buying a house that already has a
mortgage you can get it transfered into your name but the
bank will require all the normal paperwork (above) prior to
going to the notary.
You can either obtain a mortgage locally or by using a mortgage
broker. Olvera Properties will of course assist you throughout
the process of obtaining a mortgage. See the section "Are
there any hidden costs" for more details.
Of course you can find mortgages in the UK
for your home here but there are some considerations that
you need to think over including the interest rate, the exchange
rate and the possibility of needing to transfer the mortgage
if you wish to sell the property at some future date. |
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How long does it take to buy a house in Olvera?
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. Of course this
depends: while our fastest sale in Olvera Properties
was accomplished within one week, the average time is more
like a month. Often what this depends upon is ensuring that
the money is in Spain and available for the purchase and having
your NIE ready.
Cash sales are quickest generally while mortgages
can take up to 6 weeks from start to finish and is dependant
on having all the paperwork sent early on. |
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What kind of a deposit do I have to put down to
secure the house I wish to purchase?
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It is a good idea to secure
the property you wish to buy, with a deposit, which in Spain
the seller receives.
In some cases, if you are unable to complete
within 4-6 weeks we advise that up to 10% is deposited otherwise
around a thousand euros is sufficient.
The deposit is non-refundable, and should
the vendor refuse to sell the property, for any reason, a
return of double the deposit is regarded as law.
This is normal procedure in Andalucia.
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Is this a good investment? |
Olvera Properties
cannot answer that question for you: What we can
say is that to date we have watched the house prices rise
in Olvera faster than almost anywhere else in Spain. While
the coastal regions have reached a "maturity" plateau,
inland prices have continued to realise a good return in investment.
During the current downturn in property prices,
it has to be said that the costal prices have fallen (by up
to 20% in some cases) and due to the overbuilding there, there
is a vast surplus of housing within Spain. Olvera has suffered
this downturn less than other towns in the Cadiz province
because its beauty has only recently been discovered. House
prices here are still well below the average for Cadiz, Malaga
and Sevilla regions.
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How does buying rural property differ from buying
town houses? |
There are some distinct
differences. Firstly there is rural land
and then there is park land. If there is
no house on either classification of land then it is not possible
to build one without a license to do so, which in our experience
is almost impossible to obtain, unless the land is over 25
hectares. An "almucen" or store may be legal, but
do not think that once the store has been built that it can
be made into a home, because a "license of habitation"
is required for the building. This license ("permiso de habitacion")
can only be granted with full documentation of the building
process. Even if such a building was to be inhabited, it may
prove impossible to re-sell .due to the lack of paperwork.
Park land is even more restrictive as any
work licence requires the authorization of not only the town
hall, but also of the park authority as well as the provincial
architect's signature. Even restoration work on a building
with good paperwork is problematic and the outcome is not
predictable. Selling land within the park requires that the
sale is first offered to the park, which is a three month
wait while the authority concerned gets its act together to
turn down the offer.
You may find an attitude in inland Andalucia
that is "devil-may-care", but be warned - the devil
is having the last laugh in southern Spain as property developers,
banks, politicians and lawyers are finding out.
Do
not become a casualty of this cleaning up process.
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How do I transfer money?
| As you may be transferring
a large amount of money and the rates that most high street
banks charge for this service can be very large, we can recommend
the services of professional money moving companies, which
do the same service for less commission and often faster and
more professionally than a bank,such as HiFX.
Please do not even consider traveling with
large quantities of cash which can be confiscated by some
random customs check.
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What is expected of me at the notary's? |
Once at the notary's
office: you will be taken through the contract which
will be read in Spanish, so it is advisable to have a translator
present. Your lawyer will also be there to make sure that
you have your interests looked after. By this time all the
required paperwork has been lodged at the notary's in order
to repair the sale deed (escritura). The notary is a government
official witness to the exchange of the contract.
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| Is there an equivalent of "rates"? |
IBI: "Impuestos
Bienes Inmuebles" or "contribución" is about 1% of the value
that the government place on the property per year. Thus,
as a rough guide, a house with a value of 100,000 euros is
taxed annually at under 100 euros a year.
Recently the town hall has been re-evaluating
the worth of property and as a consequence, sometimes, they
will give a once-off "adjustment" to the initial
evaluation. |
| How much are the yearly outgoings? |
Much less than in the
UK generally: The main expenses are the rubbish ("basura"),
electricity, water and IBI. Thus the utility bills for a 100,000
euro house with a family of four can expect to pay:
- rubbish -65 euros a year
- electric - 30 euros a month
- water - 15 euros a month
- IBI (council tax) - 1% of the value of the property
- phone - depending on your provider
We suggest "Voip" or some other company than Telefonica
for your telephone needs. British Telephone (BT) has a vast
share in Telephonica and the company runs along similar lines
to those that BT did in the late 70´s, which could be
considered extortionate.
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| Is the property free of debts? |
Yes: The lawyer
and notary will not let you purchase a property without all
the debts being fully paid off. For instance the vendors have
to bring fully paid utility bills to the notary on the day
of purchase.
It is your lawyers responsibility to ensure
that all bills against the property have been paid prior to
reaching the notary's office. If the property has a mortgage
on it then at the point of sale a bank representative will
either transfer it to your name or the balance owed by the
vendor will be paid in full to the bank in front of the notary. |
| Are there any hidden costs? |
Olvera Properties works very hard to ensure
that there are no surprises for our clients.
The price you see on the web site listings
is the price you pay. Of course there are
commissions - these are built into the price
of the property unless otherwise agreed, which
is agreed by the vendor and amount to about
5% of the total price for properties over
100,000€.
Some estate agents "take" 3% from
the vendor and 3% from the purchaser, which
is fairly standard practice in Andalucia and
southern Spain generally.
Other costs include:
- Lawyers fee for property transaction: about 1,000€
- Notary fee for property transaction: about 1,000€
- Bank mortgage transaction fees: 1% of the mortgage
- Olvera Properties mortgage fees: 1% of the mortgage*
Changeover of services (water, electricity) is about 100€
but this cost depends upon who you get to do the job.
* Should you wish to use our services to negotiate mortgage
in Olvera
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How do I get the water and electricity in my name?
| We can assist you
in the transfer of utilities into your name. We have
a
list of people who will act as translators and
home care who can help facilitate the process. |
| When do I get my deeds? |
You receive a copy
of the deeds when you leave the Notary's office:
The full registered title deeds will arrive at your lawyer's
office, or in some cases at your bank, within three to four
months and they will inform you. |
What architects, builder's, home care can you recommend? |
We have a
list of merchants and professionals, which is as
impartial as possible. We recommend that you get more than
one estimate before you embark on any project.
Olvera Properties does not
do any home care or project management (because we focus only
on providing the best service we can, doing what we do), however,
we can give you some general guidelines as to how to proceed
with the next step you want to take. |
Should I become a resident of Spain? |
Becoming a resident has
some implications:
- You have the ability to get an 80% mortgage for instance
- You will need to make a local will
- You will need to negotiate the local IRS (hacienda)
- Social security also becomes a local issue
- You will need to register with the health services
If you intend to spend more than half of
any year living here then by law you have to declare yourself
a resident for the period of time that you are domicile here.
At this point it is probably a good idea to hire an accountant
as well as talking your intentions over with a lawyer.
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Do I need to insure my property? |
Again, the short answer is
"Yes". There are a number of local
companies who are knowledgeable about the kinds of insurance
you need.
Your local bank will be happy to act as an
insurance broker and will charge around 250 euros per year
for a house of about 100m2.
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| Bus timetables?
| For some reason
bus timetables are not always easy to find. For instance,
T.G.
Comes is currently the only company with a web site
(you can also buy online) on our list below, but on their
web site they deny knowing Olvera. Los Amarillos S.L. advertise
the use of the URL www.samara.es on their buses but I have
yet to be able to find that site so you might try www.touristbus.es/frgrsamar.htm
but again there is no mention of Olvera.
The timetables posted at the bus station
itself are contradictory with Casado S.A. running two sets
of times to Malaga (the second set are in brackets below)
but as nothing is dated its not easy to figure out. I will
attempt to obtain a definitive timetable from the station
master within the next week or two.
You will find the bus station at the cross
roads of Calle de Bellavista, Carretera de Pruna, Calle de
la Estacion and the Plaza de la Concordia - at the center,
northern side of town.
Olvera to Malaga Monday to Friday: |
06:30 - 16:15 |
Olvera to Malaga Saturday: |
06:30 |
Olvera to Malaga Sunday and holidays: |
17:30 |
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Malaga to Olvera Monday to Friday: |
16:00 -21:50 |
Malaga to Olvera Saturday: |
16:00 |
Malaga to Olvera Sunday and holidays: |
22:30 |
Information from Automóviles Casado S.L. |
952 350 061, 952 315 908, 956 702 015 |
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Olvera to Sevilla Monday to Friday: |
06:30 - 16:15 |
Olvera to Sevilla Saturday: |
06:30 - 17:30 |
Olvera to Sevilla Sunday and holidays: |
18:00 |
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Sevilla to Olvera Monday to Friday: |
15:00 - 21:00 |
Sevilla to Olvera Saturday: |
11:00 - 21:30 |
Sevilla to Olvera Sunday and holidays: |
22:30 |
Information from Transtres |
954 410 111 |
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Olvera to Cadiz Monday to Friday: |
06:50 |
Olvera to Cadiz Saturday: |
- |
Olvera to Cadiz Sunday and holidays: |
18:00 (during term time only.
NOTE: no return) |
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Cadiz to Olvera Monday to Friday: |
17:00 |
Cadiz to Olvera Saturday: |
- |
Cadiz to Olvera Sunday and holidays: |
- |
Information from
Comes
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952 350 061, |
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Olvera to Ronda Monday to Friday: |
06:45 |
Olvera to Ronda Saturday: |
- |
Olvera to Ronda Sunday and holidays: |
- |
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Ronda to Olvera Monday to Friday: |
16:00 |
Ronda to Olvera Saturday: |
- |
Ronda to Olvera Sunday and holidays: |
- |
Information from Los
Amarillos S.L. |
956 700 257, (902 210 317) |
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For travel throughout Spain, you could do worse than
consult Movelia.es. |
Estación de autobuses : 956 130 13 and 605
027 477
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| Train
Timetables? |
R.E.N.F.E.
has a very good timetable and booking system, below are the
times for the main stations on the Ronda line:
Granada - Bobadilla
- Almargen - Ronda - Algeciras:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . .07:10 . . . . . 08:58
07:15 . . . . . 08:56 . . . . . 09:22 . . . . . 09:57 . .
. . . 11:43
13:55 . . . . . 15:37 . . . . . 16:03 . . . . . 16:35 . .
. . . 18:34
17:00 . . . . . 18:35 . . . . . 19:00 . . . . . 19:34 . .
. . . 21:14
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . .
. . 20:54 . . . . . 22:25
.. . . . . . . . . . 20:25 . . . . . 20:50 . . . . . 21:20
Algeciras - Ronda - Almargen -Bobadilla
- Granada:
. . . . . . . . . . .07:50 . . . . . 08:16 . . . . . 08:40
07:10 . . . . . 08:56 . . . . . 09:24 . . . . . 09:47 . .
. . . 11:30
08:30 . . . . . 09:59
12:10 . . . . . 14:05 . . . . . 14:42 . . . . . 15:07 . .
. . . 16:47
15:15 . . . . . 16:45
15:50 . . . . . 17:34 . . . . . 18:02 . . . . . 18:33 . .
. . . 20:18
16:40 . . . . . 18:10
18:45 . . . . . 20:36
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| How do I visit Olvera Castle? |
Go to the Plaza
de la Iglesia, either by driving up Salida de la Iglesia
and parking in the church square (or if there are no parking
spaces there, go back down to the new car parks about 100
meters on the right), or by climbing the stairs to the right
of the Plaza de la Ayuntamiento.
In the corner of the square, opposite the
church, is a tourist office. Once you have purchased your
ticket someone should point out the entrance & the museum
to you.
Allow yourself some time to visit the castle.
There are, as one would imagine, a few steps to climb and
besides wondering about the Roman/Arabic ruins there are views
that can absorb one for minutes at a time. |
| Places to eat
in Olvera? |
Antigua Estación Ferrocarril
661 463 207 or 637 858 103 |
At the begriming of the Via Verde this restaurant/hotel
has good food and a simple ambiance. |
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Pepe Rayas
Plaza de la Ayuntamiento, 9
956 13 07 77 |
Run by Graham and Tetricia Hill who are turning
this well located bar into a local meeting place with good
food and congenial conversation. |
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Manolo's
Plaza de Andalucia |
Antonio and his wife cook up
some terrific tapas and sitting out in the square makes a
great situation for a meal. |
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Juanito Gomez
Calle de Belavista |
These two guys
and their wives provide a series of traditional Andalucian
tapas and have a good knowledge of regional wines. |
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Gaby
Avda. Julian Besteiro
956 12 01 00
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Extensive menu
in traditional restaurant style. |
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Lirios
Avda. Julian Besteiro,
54)
956 13 03 75 |
Italian style.
If you like pizza with a more biscuit crust then this is the
place. |
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Avenida Los Remedios
Avda. Julian Besteiro
956 12 07 70 |
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El Rincon Andaluz
Calle Bruselas, 3
956 13
07 61 |
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Alfonso
Avda. Julian Besteiro
opposite the Renault garage |
Italian food
served in friendly surroundings - second best pizza in Olvera. |
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Asador de Pollo
Calle Veranda Ancha
671 066 637
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Wood fire roast chicken in
chiringito style. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Opposite the Zeppelin
bar. |
| Bars in Olvera? |
Hipanova
Avda. Julian Besteiro, 140
956
12 00 03 |
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Bar Mas Madera
Fuenta Nueva, 9
956 13 02
77 |
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Bar El Pisoton
Avda. Manuel de Falla
956
13 05 60 |
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La Dolce Vita
Avda. Julian Besteiro, 82
626 971 605 |
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Pub Zeppelin
Veranda Ancha, 104 |
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Bar Bocanegra
Veranda Ancha, 100
956 120 491 |
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El Frenazo
Avda. Julian Besteiro, 90
956 12 01 62 |
This bar doubles
as a discotheque |
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Pepe Rayas
Plaza de la Ayuntamiento, 9
956 13 07 77 |
Run by Graham and Tetricia Hill who are turning
this well located bar into a local meeting place with good
tapas and congenial conversation. |
| Places to eat
in the region? |
Places to eat in Cadiz
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El Faro
Calle San Félix 15
956 211 068
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A good stand-up tapas bar in the front and an ample restaurant
behind - walk the promenade after eating. |
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Hotel Casa Grande
Calle Barranco 76
952 180 400
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This is a recommendation of Stefan's, the chef at Al Largo. |
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Casa
Maria
Ruedo de Alameda 27
952 876 212
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A superb set menu, if eccentrically served: there's no menu,
they tell you want they've got, and you tell them when you've
eaten enough. Expensive but good - if you are watching your
wallet do not ask for steak! |
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Tapas in Sevilla
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Tapas bars are
so numerous that a visitor has to explore – but here
are some favorites: |
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Bar
Hijos de E Morales
Calle Garcia de Vinuesa
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The
road leading from Constitucion close to the Cathedral. Go
in the side door. There are two bars, the one at the back
has real character! |
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Meson
de la Infanta
Calle Dos Mayo 26
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Close to the
bullring. An all round good place that is often crowded and
has a restaurant in the rear. |
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Las
Columnas
On the corner of Calle Mateos Gago
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This bar can be found as you head into Santa Cruz
from the Cathedral Square. It actually has a another name... |
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Restaurants in Sevilla
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Restaurants . . .Where to start! |
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Taberna
de Alabardero
Calle Zaragoza 20
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Part of a small chain (TopDeal Hotels) started off by an
ex priest for street children and now has a branch in Washington
DC and runs its own catering school. Food is very good and
very pricey! Book in advance. |
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Meson
Don Raimundo
Calle Argote de Molina 26
954 223 355
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Traditional
verging on the Moorish. |
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San
Juan
Plaza Melgarejo 2
956 326 471
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Italian Cuisine in a good atmosphere. |
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L’Spirale
Alcale 55
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Good Italian food with Spanish twist! Reasonable but quite
posh, especially at lunchtime given its city center location. |
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Al
Largo
956 123 032
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Run by Stephan and Mona. As you enter Zahara from the dam, park at the first car park on the left overlooking the lake. |
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Places to eat in Campillos
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Hotels in Olvera? |
The Via Verde
661 463 207 or 637 858
103
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A kilometer due north, downhill from the bus station. Has
a good restaurant and very quiet double, en suite rooms. New
equestrian center near by. |
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The
Fuente y Pino
Calle Julian Besteiros
956 130 232 or 956 130
309
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On the main road leading out to the eastern outskirts of
town, very Spanish, very local, take it or leave it, nice
grass garden surrounded pool. |
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The
Sierra Y Cal
Avda. Ns. Sra. de los Remedios, 4
0034 956 130 542
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This is
a town hotel belonging to the Tugasa chain, pool and bar,
standard fare. |
| Hotels in the region? |
Sevilla
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Casas
de la Juderia
Plaza Santa Maria de Blanco
954 422 170
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In the heart of Santa Cruz is this old Moorish Villa decorated
in an eclectic style, a bit on the pricey side. |
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Donna
Maria
Calle Don Remondo
902 500 524 or 954 224 990
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Almost on the cathedral square, it is comfortable and well-positioned
for the cathedral, the royal palace and the Casa
de Pilatos. Less pricey but not cheap. |
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Hotel
Adriano
Calle Adrianos
954 293
800
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A couple of minutes from the Cathedral is this modern, very
reasonably priced and friendly hotel, with a Jacuzzi. |
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La
Posada del Moro
Paseo del Moro, 46
954 884 858
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Julia y Lucia run this very moroccan style hotel, with water
playing a major theme. |
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Hotel
Trujillo
Calle Medina 36
956 342 438
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A good place to take a break between Jerez airport and Olvera
or when doing the Jerez flamenco festival |
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Hotel
Real De Veas
Calle de la Corredera, 12
956 717 370
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If you find
that you would like to take a break between Jerez and Olvera |
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Madrid
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Unlikely as it
may be, you could be coming to Olvera via the AVE to Sevilla
or Cordoba, so here are some hotels in the capital city.
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Hoteles
Vincci Soho
Calle Prado
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Which is not, as it names
suggests, next to Prado but only a stones throw over the road. |
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Westin
Palace
913 608 000
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Really very pricey but worth slipping in to visit the bar
(don’t even try if your not respectable and intend to
have a drink!), the19th century ironworks and stained glass
roof like in Samaritaine in Paris! |
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ME Melia
Plaza de Santa Ana 14
917 016
000
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A decent 4 star hotel
very well positioned in a fine square with restaurants etc
and the hotel itself has good restaurant. |
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Alicia
RoomMate
Prado 2
913 896 095
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A much cheaper place in same square; Calle Prado leads into
Plaza Santa Ana.
RoomMate is a small chain with 3 other hotels in Madrid. |
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Hotel
Molina Lario,
Calle Molina Lario, 20-22
952 062 002
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Very reasonable,
well-run, clean and central |
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